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Post by elanor on Aug 9, 2012 1:44:00 GMT 1
It looks like a conflict between running agencies and management. They wanted it to be more exclusive event like so far but they chose Art on Ice because it is bigger and more famous production.
It is a pity for me as well. Gala in Davos was my favorite Swiss show with decent media coverage and different programs. I don't care for Swiss AOI that much because it's not really about skating, the skaters can't even choose their own programs but, well, this is what is more popular so I guess they have to go with it. Maybe they will let Stephane something different like in the past. Hopefully, there will still be some of these nice local galas that our friends share with fan videos.
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Post by pia on Aug 9, 2012 6:25:04 GMT 1
It looks like a conflict between running agencies and management. They wanted it to be more exclusive event like so far but they chose Art on Ice because it is bigger and more famous production. It is a pity for me as well. Gala in Davos was my favorite Swiss show with decent media coverage and different programs. I don't care for Swiss AOI that much because it's not really about skating, the skaters can't even choose their own programs but, well, this is what is more popular so I guess they have to go with it. Maybe they will let Stephane something different like in the past. Hopefully, there will still be some of these nice local galas that our friends share with fan videos. That's true but when I read here about their (now already non-existent) plans for the next Icegala, I'm getting feeling happy for Art on Ice there... The next gala would have been without Stéphane and with lots of acrobats and clowns. www.eisgaladavos.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/customers/eisgala-davos/Wissenswertes/120727_EGD_Argumente.pdfPage 4.
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Post by reut on Aug 9, 2012 8:43:09 GMT 1
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Post by Anna on Aug 9, 2012 14:23:46 GMT 1
Thank you, pia and reut, for the news. I don't know if they are good or bad, I'm trying to understand but maybe we can just wait and see I have to say that AOI is not my favourite kind of show, maybe because of the singers.. I mean they are all great and the performances of great skaters are always amazing to see, but I still love more when the skater shows his own program, with music he chooses and comes from the deep of his heart. But then, Opera on Ice this year is linked with AOI and also AOI Shangai since years - and these seems to be different from the AOI-with-pop-stars.. so maybe the involving of the AOI staff doesn't mean that the show would be a 'copy' of AOI Lausanne, for example. And of course I'm just happy if Stéphane is there, no matter what so.. we'll see!
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Post by goldguegi on Aug 9, 2012 19:34:10 GMT 1
I'm not sure I still have enough details to try to make conclusions, but I understand that the choice was between "some ice show with clowns and without Stephane" and "Art on Ice with Stephane". I guess it's obvious what I choose. (Though me personally I'll probably choose something with Stephane but not AOI anyway, doesn't matter if it won't be in Switzerland) In the video pia posted it is said that AOI has exclusive contracts with Stéphane and Sarah (and I guess also with all other skaters that are managed by AOI) and that because of this it wouldn't have been possible for Eisgala Davos that they could have them for 2013. So imo AOI almost blackmailed Davos Tourism with this. Logically they decided for AOI. Very sad imo and not a "very nice" way of AOI after working so many years with Eisgala Davos.
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Post by marlin on Aug 10, 2012 6:07:09 GMT 1
How terrible.
Exactly what I am thinking. It's a fresh breath for me every year after Art On Ice series in Switzerland, bringing back pure skating, art and an intimate view of the programs. I can't believe they just simply cease it.
So the thing is if AOI hadn't been there, Eisgala Davos could have had Stephane and Sarah, and many others.
Well I think we've got feedback concerning Opera On Ice which is mainly positive, but for AOI Shanghai, I can tell you, they are definitely making it more and more closer to 'A pop concert of some super-popular-but-cheesy stars plus a few lovely supporting skaters', which is extremely annoying to Stephane's fans in China. Due to the same contract thing, he so far cannot perform in any other Chinese shows.
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Post by reut on Aug 10, 2012 7:02:40 GMT 1
In the video pia posted it is said that AOI has exclusive contracts with Stéphane and Sarah (and I guess also with all other skaters that are managed by AOI) and that because of this it wouldn't have been possible for Eisgala Davos that they could have them for 2013. So imo AOI almost blackmailed Davos Tourism with this. Logically they decided for AOI. Very sad imo and not a "very nice" way of AOI after working so many years with Eisgala Davos. The problem is that I can't really hold a real discussion, as most of the facts and figures were unfortunately not translated. But I do know that "very nice" doesn't have to and usually doesn't go with "successful business". And I'm not sure that it is black and white and one side is clearly "evil" and the other is clearly "victim". To tell the truth having watched both shows I don't really understand what was the part of "Eisgala Production" (or whatever is their official name) in making this show. The skaters were those who have contracts with AOI and some invited ones who usually continued after being invited to AOI that winter. Group numbers were usually those created for AOI of that winter. Choreographers (Salome) and director (Oliver) were from AOI. The whole show, at least the "part on the ice" was brought by AOI. If I understood right what Ia translated there was some conflict between two parts. We don't know what was the reason (and probably will never know), what if one part asked for more money while actually the other part was doing all the work? Anyway, when there was a conflict and there was a competition between two parts to win the place for the show, I don't see anything "evil" from AOI to "take" all "their" skaters with them. Yet I can feel for skating fans and understand their frustration. It was a nice show, and it was a skating show while AOI is clearly not. For foreign fans it was also a very convenient opportunity to come to Switzerland and watch both AOI and some skating show where Stephane skates at least one "normal" program (I'm indeed not a big fan of his programs created especially for AOI though few last ones were rather successful, loved by fans and had bigger longevity). But I wouldn't blame only AOI on the fact that this show doesn't exist any more. I think things are more complicated. But as I started I don't have enough arguments, because many things were written in German only... I still love more when the skater shows his own program, with music he chooses and comes from the deep of his heart. But then, Opera on Ice this year is linked with AOI and also AOI Shangai since years - and these seems to be different from the AOI-with-pop-stars.. so maybe the involving of the AOI staff doesn't mean that the show would be a 'copy' of AOI Lausanne, for example. I see a bit of contradiction in your words. You say you prefer shows where skaters perform their own programs, yet both "Opera on Ice" and "AOI Shangai" are exactly this type of shows where skaters skate to the music chosen according to the invited guest. Also I think AOI is name of the brand in this context and not name of the production company, meaning, if they say there will be AOI instead of Eisgala Davos it will be a 'copy of'. * * * Talking in general about AOI and the direction they take, again, I really can relate to skating fans. And I know that this is not kind of show we prefer AOI to be. AOI is an amazing show of a very high quality, but me too, if I need to choose, I prefer a "simpler show with Stephane's own programs". Unfortunately, we don't have much impact in this, AOI won't be "skating fans oriented". They chose a certain "vision" which proved them to be right, which helps them to sell tickets and fill arenas. They celebrated being Show number 1 in first quarter of 2012 thanks to the course they took. And you can find many quotes in my article about AOI which prove that they see this concept as a winning one. We, skating fans, are not their target group as we are not big enough to fill Hallenstadion. One thing we probably can do, we can ask organizers to let Stephane skate only one program with invited guest. I remember some kind of "petition" from Chinese fans about that in which they asked this for AOI in China. In the end Stephane didn't skate there due to illness, but I understand that one of the programs planned to skate there was Tchaikovsky, meaning that petition probably worked. Maybe we can do something similar for the show in Davos?
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Post by reut on Aug 10, 2012 8:25:28 GMT 1
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Post by pia on Aug 10, 2012 8:44:34 GMT 1
I try to translate some parts of it. For greater clarity I translated some parts of previous PDF where former organizer speak about their plans for the jubilee gala 2013 and give arguments why their organization is the best. www.eisgaladavos.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/customers/eisgala-davos/Wissenswertes/120727_EGD_Argumente.pdfI can't say that I'm in awe of all their plans and arguments. Maybe a local organization would be better for the Davos region, I don't know that much about local politics but as regards of Eisgala their plans are, to say the least, strange. Judge yourself. Sorry, my english isn't that good but hopefully it's understandable. It would be great if someone with better skills takes the translation. www.eisgaladavos.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/customers/eisgala-davos/Wissenswertes/120727_EGD_Argumente.pdfPage 3 -Jennifer and Daniel Weiss, the owners of Spotlight Production are the new artistic directors of Eisgala Davos. They and their company belong to the best of theme-shows. They will bring spectacular show-numbers to Davos (the same did also AOI) and melt it all together to a harmonious whole. -Daniel and Jennifer Weiss are former top skaters, nowadays moderators at ARD and other broadcasting companies. They have excellent connection net everywhere around the skating world. The both know “everyone on the planet who does something extraordinary in skates” (a quote from Daniel Weiss). -Jennifer Weiss is a perfectionist. Her group numbers are unique and world class. Page 4 -There will be in the spotlight no more the same and same artists. We are going to engage stars from all the world independent and free from any contractual obligations. In the past two years there was seen quite strongly audience reactions of “déjà vue”. Looks like it’s not good to present the same skaters time and again. -There are guaranteed for the Eisgala at least three top stars and different kind of top numbers. -To the stop stars belong Olympic champions, World and European champions. Such cast guarantees to the Eisgala the continuous high level. Daniel Weiss writes: “Our cast will be absolute world class. Skating numbers are mixed with perfectly good entertainment numbers.” This allows us also already twice in the year 2013 manage without Stéphane Lambiel. The performance of Lambiel depends on his career path. -A look at the annual debriefing of previous years makes clear: to have three world medalists at the Eisgala is important and show athletic competence . In addition to, the Davos audience will emotionally addressed by acrobats, comical numbers, flying numbers. Reminder: the clowns at the 2012 years show were even more frenetically applauded than Stéphane Lambiel. -New for Eisgala Davos is also the possibility to accompany performances on the ice with live music and singing. -The moto of the jubilee Eisgala Davos is “Viva la Grischa”. For the moderator is reserved Claudio Zuccolini, for musical accompaniment we contacted with Furbaz, La Compagnia Rossini and 77 Bombay Street. There may be also added Davos Ländlerfunda. Claudio Zuccolini is planned to be also moderator of our TV-magazine. In year 2013 he will be also guest star at National Circus Knie. They seem to like circus very much...
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Post by Anna on Aug 10, 2012 9:14:47 GMT 1
marlin: but for AOI Shanghai, I can tell you, they are definitely making it more and more closer to 'A pop concert of some super-popular-but-cheesy stars plus a few lovely supporting skaters', which is extremely annoying to Stephane's fans in China." I didn't know.. that's a pity I see a bit of contradiction in your words. You say you prefer shows where skaters perform their own programs, yet both "Opera on Ice" and "AOI Shangai" are exactly this type of shows where skaters skate to the music chosen according to the invited guest. Also I think AOI is name of the brand in this context and not name of the production company, meaning, if they say there will be AOI instead of Eisgala Davos it will be a 'copy of'. Maybe I am a bit confused because I saw Stéphane skating Rachmaninov in China, so I thought that in Shangai they can do their programs? but I've never been in Shangai so it's true, I don't really know how the whole show is. I'm just trying to be optimistic and hope that even if it's an "AOI show", it won't be a Pop star show but a great one, like Opera on Ice was (but I have to admit that maybe the simple fact that it's just classical music and not a Pop star show helps, for me : And you're right about the fact that we don't know who is 'good' and who is 'evil'.. but still..
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Post by reut on Aug 10, 2012 9:17:27 GMT 1
Maybe I am a bit confused because I saw Stéphane skating Rachmaninov in China, so I thought that in Shangai they can do their programs? Rachmaninov was created especially for AOI China because their invited guest that year was pianist, that's all. Like with other AOI shows Stephane was proposed to choose among few musical pieces invited guest could perform and he chose this one.
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Post by Anna on Aug 10, 2012 9:25:13 GMT 1
I try to translate some parts of it. For greater clarity I translated some parts of previous PDF where former organizer speak about their plans for the jubilee gala 2013 and give arguments why their organization is the best. www.eisgaladavos.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/customers/eisgala-davos/Wissenswertes/120727_EGD_Argumente.pdfI can't say that I'm in awe of all their plans and arguments. Maybe a local organization would be better for the Davos region, I don't know that much about local politics but as regards of Eisgala their plans are, to say the least, strange. Judge yourself. Sorry, my english isn't that good but hopefully it's understandable. It would be great if someone with better skills takes the translation. www.eisgaladavos.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/customers/eisgala-davos/Wissenswertes/120727_EGD_Argumente.pdfPage 3 -Jennifer and Daniel Weiss, the owners of Spotlight Production are the new artistic directors of Eisgala Davos. They and their company belong to the best of theme-shows. They will bring spectacular show-numbers to Davos (the same did also AOI) and melt it all together to a harmonious whole. -Daniel and Jennifer Weiss are former top skaters, nowadays moderators at ARD and other broadcasting companies. They have excellent connection net everywhere around the skating world. The both know “everyone on the planet who does something extraordinary in skates” (a quote from Daniel Weiss). -Jennifer Weiss is a perfectionist. Her group numbers are unique and world class. Page 4 -There will be in the spotlight no more the same and same artists. We are going to engage stars from all the world independent and free from any contractual obligations. In the past two years there was seen quite strongly audience reactions of “déjà vue”. Looks like it’s not good to present the same skaters time and again. -There are guaranteed for the Eisgala at least three top stars and different kind of top numbers. -To the stop stars belong Olympic champions, World and European champions. Such cast guarantees to the Eisgala the continuous high level. Daniel Weiss writes: “Our cast will be absolute world class. Skating numbers are mixed with perfectly good entertainment numbers.” This allows us also already twice in the year 2013 manage without Stéphane Lambiel. The performance of Lambiel depends on his career path. -A look at the annual debriefing of previous years makes clear: to have three world medalists at the Eisgala is important and show athletic competence . In addition to, the Davos audience will emotionally addressed by acrobats, comical numbers, flying numbers. Reminder: the clowns at the 2012 years show were even more frenetically applauded than Stéphane Lambiel. -New for Eisgala Davos is also the possibility to accompany performances on the ice with live music and singing. -The moto of the jubilee Eisgala Davos is “Viva la Grischa”. For the moderator is reserved Claudio Zuccolini, for musical accompaniment we contacted with Furbaz, La Compagnia Rossini and 77 Bombay Street. There may be also added Davos Ländlerfunda. Claudio Zuccolini is planned to be also moderator of our TV-magazine. In year 2013 he will be also guest star at National Circus Knie. They seem to like circus very much... pia, thanks for the translation. So they say that 'having the same skaters' was a problem.. well, if this mean 'stop calling Sthéphane every year' maybe it's better to have AOI..
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Post by Anna on Aug 10, 2012 9:26:54 GMT 1
Maybe I am a bit confused because I saw Stéphane skating Rachmaninov in China, so I thought that in Shangai they can do their programs? Rachmaninov was created especially for AOI China because their invited guest that year was pianist, that's all. Like with other AOI shows Stephane was proposed to choose among few musical pieces invited guest could perform and he chose this one. I didn't know, thanks for the info Maybe it's one of the best program he was asked for.. it seems so much 'his style'! this is very interesting!
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Post by Anna on Aug 10, 2012 9:54:39 GMT 1
What they say on AOI official site: www.artonice.ch/en/home/shows-tickets/davos/" With a few minor changes in presentation, the show on 8 February in Davos will be the same as the one presented in Zurich (Hallenstadion, 31 January till 3 February) and at the Lausanne Patinoire de Malley (5 and 6 February). All of which adds up to the same figure skating ensemble and the same music stars! "
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Post by pia on Aug 10, 2012 10:08:55 GMT 1
Little resume of this www.eisgaladavos.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/customers/eisgala-davos/Wissenswertes/Interview_GipfelZytig.pdfMr Gasser says first that the choice of AOI behind the Eisgala does make any good for Davos region. Eisgala Davos has been local Davos brand. Eisgala was also important tourist magnet with all-in-one - gala, food, hotels, restaurants. The number of overnights stays increased this days, income of hotels&restaurants tripled. AOI isn’t local brand but a brand connected with Zürich and Lausanne and gives nothing good and original to Davos region. About two organizing companies partying ways: Carré Event (which is Art on Ice) and Viva AG (Gasser’s enterprise). Gasser says that Carré said before this years gala that they don’t’ see any more sense to continue with Eisgala Davos. And then he complains that DDO representative Reto Branschi didn’t deepen to their innovative offer where they had palnned a very professional new organization company. Then DDO let them work at the jubilee gala and didn’t say a word about changes. Then interviewer asks what they have against AOI. Gasser says AOI has too high ticket prize and then he of course says AOI blocked for them Stéphane and Sarah. But Gasser says also - no problems, Stéphane and Sarah were seen at Eisgala already 7-8 times and there are other interesting artists around the world who Davos audience haven’t seen. Then Gasser says that in their plans was a new TV project and in connection with it there 10 new hotel partners appeared. Plans were that in 4 weeks there will be shown in 7 swiss tv companies a 15 minutes long promo clip about Davos. Then he says that still at 5th of may they had cooperation plans with DDO. About AOI he says again that it’s not original production, it’s a gastrolling show and a product what is shown before Davos in Zürich and Lausanne, ticket is expensive and so on. And then he says that wife of DDO representative had said that she’s excited to see AOI in Davos. Then there is factbox which cites the same advantages what would be if Eisgala Davos would be led by local organizers.
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