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Post by freefall on Jun 27, 2010 20:05:27 GMT 1
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Post by nike2010 on Jun 28, 2010 6:21:20 GMT 1
It's a pleasure to read your opinions, dear Stephane fans! The debut caught me and won't let me go. Though my feelings are confused : 1. The program looks beautiful and meaningful. For Takahashi this complicated image seems new and lets see his deep potential. 2. I can't find anything absolutely "stephanesque" in this Ex. And it's great that Dai remains himself and no copy of Lambiel. 3. As schnaddel, I had tears in my eyes: for it seemed to me that the mood of the story was Stephane's dialogue with himself in the NMQP tune whether he should say good-bye to waltz (his waltz) or not... When I read schnaddel's words about crying, the song came to my mind: ... please, please don't cry This is just 'adieu' and not 'good-bye' (it's funny, but in English 'adieu' doesn't mean 'farewell' ) 4. And in general, I'm very happy for Stephane; it's quite a problem to find such a talented performer as Dai is.
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Post by sha on Jun 28, 2010 8:03:48 GMT 1
I just watched the program and I have to say that if I woudn't know that it's not Steph on the ice I could think so. Moves, steps... even clothes are Steph's one. And to be hinest I don't like it. Takahashi lost his own character. But that's only mine opinion
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Post by EMJO on Jun 28, 2010 10:09:47 GMT 1
I dont write here often but had too. It is interesting to read Stephs fans thoughts about his "new" creative mind... Since Stephane is a skater we have and still are able to see ,perform his own work, well his and Salomes, actually I think some may think Dai has lost something rather than developped something new. But how many of you have seen Lori Nicol skateor even Salome skate ?They all put their own mark to their choreography.It is very obvious if you have seen them skate you can recognize their programs.So not strange it is "soo" Stephane. Well I love it! Why? Because Stephane has brought something out of Dai that I had a glimpse of before but now it is all there.It takes some time for all programs to grow and the skaters to make it more personal and comfortable but what the videos show was to me a big surprize.In 1 week already this good and emotional.Sure it still has the teachers main touch but anyone who has danced know how you after a while finds multiple versions of the same dance. Delibrately or not it always happen we all have our personal style. Cant waite to see the other programs and skaters. I agree with Nadine in that we can expect others skaters programs with Stephs design to look different to Dais. I sooo want to see this live too ....have to add that.(and take photos haha) Maria
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Post by shine on Jun 29, 2010 3:26:35 GMT 1
It's probably unfair to expect Daisuke to skate like Lambiel, as he is not. But the whole time I couldn't help thinking how Stéphane would have skated the program. It does have that Lambiel-ness in many of the moves; it reminded me of NMQTP in particular. To me the program needed a little extra bit of nuances and details in its interpretation. Stéphane has that, but Dai doesn't IMO. To me, that's what sets the former apart from the rest. Dai is graceful and often goes full out when he moves; he's fluid and powerful and may be more exciting to many. But Stéphane is the one that knows the different levels of intensity and varying layers of emotions; that extra bit of attention to details. Because of that when I watch Stéphane skate to similar programs (NMQP, R&J), it's like watching his soul unfold. I'm not sure what he has that others don't. Maybe it's a vision, maybe it's just an artist's heart. Dai's skating is exciting, but it will probably take some time before his skating has the same effect on me.
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Post by shavit on Jun 29, 2010 6:49:07 GMT 1
It's probably unfair to expect Daisuke to skate like Lambiel, as he is not. But the whole time I couldn't help thinking how Stéphane would have skated the program. It does have that Lambiel-ness in many of the moves; it reminded me of NMQTP in particular. To me the program needed a little extra bit of nuances and details in its interpretation. Stéphane has that, but Dai doesn't IMO. To me, that's what sets the former apart from the rest. Dai is graceful and often goes full out when he moves; he's fluid and powerful and may be more exciting to many. But Stéphane is the one that knows the different levels of intensity and varying layers of emotions; that extra bit of attention to details. Because of that when I watch Stéphane skate to similar programs (NMQP, R&J), it's like watching his soul unfold. I'm not sure what he has that others don't. Maybe it's a vision, maybe it's just an artist's heart. Dai's skating is exciting, but it will probably take some time before his skating has the same effect on me. I totally agree. Daisuke has good moves on the ice, he has smooth jumps and good steps, and now is adding Stephane like spins. But we can't see his soul so far. What you have expressed here was my feeling all the time. It is going to be interesting how things will be deveroped on other skaters who are having Stephane's choreography, how his touch will be appeared on them.
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Post by banshee on Jun 29, 2010 17:41:31 GMT 1
Long Newbie opinion coming up....!! Stephane first captured my attention this year at the Olympics. I must have seen him before, but it did not send me racing to the internet for every bit of information like this last Olympics did. What captivated me about Stephane was he very presence. It was obvious he has inner passion and is able to project this to us in his skating. When he skated his long program, even though I was new to watching him, I could tell he somehow was not able to find and free the passion right then - my heart ached for him. Since then of course, I have now viewed lots of video of Stephane taken over the years. He may have improved the choreography, the move, but the passion it was always there. You cannot teach passion. I am not saying Daisuke or anybody else does not have any passion or talent, they may learn moves, but passion is born inside and ability to share and express it is too. I believe Stephane will be able to help others to shine and improve, but he will remain forever unique and exquisite in his passion and expression of it.
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Post by reut on Jul 28, 2010 9:24:25 GMT 1
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Post by reut on Aug 8, 2010 9:57:24 GMT 1
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Post by pia on Aug 8, 2010 17:04:40 GMT 1
Thank you Reut! Lovely photo and article.
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Post by nike2010 on Aug 9, 2010 8:21:51 GMT 1
Thank you for the link and the smart pic, reut! As for the translation - well, as far as I can see, nothing new in Herr Kolb's item, but the picture is wonderful
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Post by pia on Aug 9, 2010 16:20:32 GMT 1
Here is a translation. Sorry for not so good english. I am still glad to read that Stéphane has "done any retirement announcements." Many skaters in ice hall at Dübendorf, north of Zürich were surprised to see at the end of June there two stars working – Stéphane Lambiel and current World champion Daisuke Takahashi. „In a show in Japan in spring me and Daisuke got idea that I should make him a choreo for short program“, explained Lambiel, considered as one of the most expressive skaters in last years. The skater from Valais felt himself well in the new role and it fit him really well. He was recently in Kazakhstan and studied with Denis Ten there a program. Takahashi explained, that he will have 3 short programs in new season – one from Kenji Miyamoto, one from Shae-Lynn Bourne and one from Lambiel. He plans to show all of them in competitions in autumn. For audience it was fascinating to follow two world champions at the creation of a program. They skated often side by side as if they wanted to render a duet. No retirement for LambielDespite of numerous articles about his retirement explained Lambiel that he is not officially retired. Newcomer choreographer specified: „I have done any retirement announcements. I said only that I don’t compete at European Championships in Bern and I also don’t make any competition this season“. „I don’t participate some time in doping control either. It is complicated due my continous journeys."
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Post by shine on Aug 9, 2010 22:12:28 GMT 1
I thought that Stephane won't be eligible for ISU competitions for 2 years since he competed at Thin Ice. I sort of assumed that implied his official departure from competitions since I doubt he'll be returning in two years. But I guess that is not the case?
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Post by nike2010 on Aug 10, 2010 8:34:41 GMT 1
Pia, thank you for your translation. So sweet of you. The article really seemed very familiar to me; but I was wrong to state it was similar to Celine Oreiller's article for the AS . I've modified the post. Shine, welcome to the board! Your reasons about eligibility are quite in line with the discussion we had in Thin Ice thread. As for me, I'd be happy to see any of Stephane's successful activities in any possible field. And hope stands till the end...
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Post by pia on Aug 11, 2010 8:45:08 GMT 1
I thought that Stephane won't be eligible for ISU competitions for 2 years since he competed at Thin Ice. I sort of assumed that implied his official departure from competitions since I doubt he'll be returning in two years. But I guess that is not the case? By the ISU rule it is like you said: Stephane won't be eligible for ISU competitions fro 2 years because of Thin Ice. I don't know those rules so well but probably there is a possibility for appeal. However, he didn't officially announce his retirement and pointed it out not only here but in some previous articles. Nike - actually you were right - the article is quite similar to Celine's article. I just had some spare time and I liked the article, so I translated it.
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