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Post by freefall on Jul 28, 2009 11:22:09 GMT 1
Everyting is going very fast right now - 3 days ago no one could even imagine that we would ever see Stephane at competitions again, and now we already have some stuff to think about the programs for the Olympic season So I decided to create for our suggestions and thoughts a special thread What we already know is:1. LP and EX for the next season are already officially announced www.stephanelambiel.ch/?p=skating&sm=programmeThe long will be the improvement of Tango and as EX Stephane has for now chosen Ne me quitte pas2. The only information about the SP - it is gonna be to some classical music If you know more than this - post here and let's discuss
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Post by Nadin on Jul 28, 2009 12:23:46 GMT 1
Can I just say how ecstatic I am that Ne me quitte pas has been officially announced as the coming season's exhibition. I'm so happy this wasn't a one off exclusive to the Japanese audience, and that fans all over the world will be able to see this masterpiece...
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Post by freefall on Jul 28, 2009 12:34:12 GMT 1
Can I just say how ecstatic I am that Ne me quitte pas has been officially announced as the coming season's exhibition. I'm so happy this wasn't a one off exclusive to the Japanese audience, and that fans all over the world will be able to see this masterpiece... As for me I feel a little strange about Ne me quitte pas being an EX after competition. I like this program enormously, and I think it is better to be a center of attention like it was in the show, not an addition to competitive programs as it will be at competition But actually who knows - maybe Ne me quitte pas will become a center of attention even as an EX? This program can do that
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Post by Nadin on Jul 28, 2009 12:41:28 GMT 1
I think it will perfectly complement the programmes shown during competition and showcase Stéphane's artistry in a setting where athleticism will pretty much rule the game (not in Stéphane's programmes, but generally). It will stand in huge contrast to other numbers and challenge the audience, and I always like that...
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Post by safi on Jul 28, 2009 18:10:53 GMT 1
Well, my first thought was: Great! So many people will see this beautiful programme and THE difference between figureskating and jumping on ice... Then came the second - does it fit in with celebrating the medal? But for sure this EX will be celebration of Stephane's uniqueness
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Post by reut on Jul 28, 2009 20:08:22 GMT 1
safi, I'm absolutely sure this program will fit with any medal. According to the news from Jacqueline, the new SP was choreographed with Salome last week. Me happy.
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Post by freefall on Jul 28, 2009 20:20:43 GMT 1
According to the news from Jacqueline, the new SP was choreographed with Salome last week. Me happy. Me too Although I liked Antonio's choreography very much, too P.S. Sorry for the off topic, but can anyone please tell me who is Jacqueline?
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Post by reut on Jul 28, 2009 20:24:32 GMT 1
Although I liked Antonio's choreography very much, too I think, Antonio will be involved in the process of "converting" Tango back to be a competitive program. P.S. Sorry for the off topic, but can anyone please tell me who is Jacqueline? A webmaster of the official site. And Stephane's friend. And Captain Jackie Sparrow.
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Post by freefall on Jul 28, 2009 20:56:39 GMT 1
Thanks, reut
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Post by safi on Jul 30, 2009 13:55:15 GMT 1
safi, I'm absolutely sure this program will fit with any medal. According to the news from Jacqueline, the new SP was choreographed with Salome last week. Me happy. I am also happy for this reunion I am really looking forward to see it! ... I'm more and more excited about his comeback, I think
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Post by reut on Jul 30, 2009 13:58:18 GMT 1
I'm more and more excited about his comeback, I think I think, I'm finally starting to get excited and not only worried and shocked. Here and there different things, small pieces of info, which prove that is it real, help me with this.
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Post by freefall on Jul 31, 2009 0:40:50 GMT 1
I think, I'm finally starting to get excited and not only worried and shocked. Here and there different things, small pieces of info, which prove that is it real, help me with this. Look at him on the video, reut - he is HAPPY Then what do we need to be happy, too? I don't know if you are superstitious but thinking about bad things that can happen and can not happen - it won't help him and wouldn't make him happier either. Forget it Let's just hope for the very best
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Post by chaerae on Jul 31, 2009 5:35:16 GMT 1
Since it looks like there will be a lull in info until Ice All Stars.... I've been amusing myself by watching Otono Porteno and speculating on where he might insert the extra elements. Right now his layout, based on Festa on Ice, looks something like this: 0'42" 3T1'02" 3F1'10"-1'25" FCoSp (15") 1'55" 3Lo2'00"-2'24" CiSt (24'') ---- (x0.1 bonus mark) 3'00" 3T3'16" 2A3'27"- 3'55" SlSt (28") 4'00"-4'26" CCoSp (26") He'll need to include 3 more jump passes and a sit spin in order to turn it into a competitive program. If his past programs are anything to go by, the first half of his program looks pretty set. I think we can expect the 3T and 3F to turn into 3A and 4T+combo, respectively. Aside from that, he's always completed 6 elements by 2'20", so he needs to put in one more jump, probably the 2A. The only logical place to put it, IMO, is before the flying combo spin - although I'm not sure if there would be enough time after the quad combo. He may need to push and pull the elements a bit to fit it in; hopefully, it won't undermine the musical timing (sigh). Now, the second half is where it gets interesting. Stéphane still needs to put in two more jump passes and a single-position spin (i.e. sit spin). The last two elements are probably set, meaning that, at the current running time of 4'26", he has just over a minute to complete 4 jumping passes (two in combination!) and a spin. Musically, it makes sense to me to insert jumps at the 2'48" (removing some choreo in the process ) and perhaps 3'10" marks. Practically speaking, I'm not sure if that's feasible. And we still haven't accounted for the extra spin. Put simply,I don't see it happening. Looking back at The Four Seasons and Poeta, Stéphane set aside 1'40" and 1'30", respectively, for the same set of elements. The good news, of course, is that the maximum length for an LP is 4'40". In fact, all his past LPs clock in at 4'40". Stéphane can splice in another 14" of music, increasing his window to approx. 1'20"; hopefully, that'll be enough time to accommodate 6-7 jumps and a spin. (Although, even at 1'30" Poeta feels pretty jump-jump-jump at that point. ) Otherwise, I see a massive reworking of the choreography. I was a little mystified at first re: the time crunch. Objectively, it seemed as if 4'26" should be enough time for a full program, considering the fact that skaters' are doing one less spin since last season. It turns out the culprit is largely the straightline step sequence, which in Otono Porteno clocks in at 31". Compare that to Poeta (18") and The Four Seasons (16"), and that's an extra spin right there. Couple the straightline with some extra MITF, and we're left with the time crunch. Anyway, I just thought it was an interesting exercise. And this is how I see the reworked Tango looking: (Changes and additions in bold) 1. 3T 3A2. 3F 4T+combo3. 2A4. FCoSp 5. 3Lo 6. CiSt ---- 7. 4T*8. 3T 3Lz+combo*9. 3S+combo*10. FSSp*11. 2A 3F12. SlSt 13. CCoSp (*#8-11 being interchangeable) Now watch - he'll have something totally different in mind.
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Post by reut on Jul 31, 2009 6:17:24 GMT 1
chaerae, very interesting exercise, thanks for sharing. I watched Flamenco and Tango yesterday (while learning on them to differ between 3Lz and 3F ) and I thought about the same. Didn't go so far as you did, but I agree that 3A and 4T+combo almost for sure will be in the beginning (this slow beginning, which was added a bit later and wasn't there in Milan, always felt for me a bit "empty", I think it was "prepared" to be so to include this "classical" start with the hardest jumps, which he almost always does). And I thought about 3F in the end too, like he had in Poeta. Maybe with the combo (which apparently was hard for him and that's why was "converted" few times to 2F+combo or without). Looking forward to see competitive Tango, I always thought that while the last season was fully packed with tangos, the best one was still Stephane's. And this is so great that Stephane had enough time to learn and work out all the complicated choreo here, so that now he may be concetrated on the jumps.
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Post by reut on Jul 31, 2009 6:23:34 GMT 1
Look at him on the video, reut - he is HAPPY Then what do we need to be happy, too? Well, he was just the same HAPPY in January, when I talked to him, believe me. And I started to be happy for him too, because I told to myself the same words as you now. He is fast in doing his "off ice spins", as Swiss press likes to call his decisions. I'm a bit slower, and it takes me time to "absorb" his latest "spin". I told this to myself many times. You can't just clean your head of worrying thoughts, at least I can't. But I promise not to write such things here ever again.
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