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Post by efosko on Mar 11, 2010 13:57:39 GMT 1
Could someone translate pls  With my poor German it seems there might be some real info in it... I'll post a translation in the translation thread in a few minutes  . |
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Post by kadri on Mar 11, 2010 14:08:11 GMT 1
thanks for the article, efosko! interesting indeed....but just to make sure i understood everything, i'll also be waiting for that translation! |
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Post by Melodie on Mar 11, 2010 14:12:50 GMT 1
Actually, I meant the competitions have very good media coverage, you can watch live, in HD and all additional stuff, not so strict copyright as other events except the Olympics (especially Euros in Tallin were real pleasure  . Plus high level and not much distracting from skating (except the judges sometimes  ). It's not like this with most events he can do now. But it's better for Stephane, sure. It's sad he was forced to make such decision. At least, nobody will bother him about competing when he doesn't want to. It's all on "evil" ISU now. I doubt they will do a thing for him, unless someone in big ISU office happens to be his devoted fan or strong federation asks for it.  I hope he's invited to skate in Japan. They have great events and the level is very good, they have so many fantastic skaters and TV covers them. Yes, life goes on. We must always hope for the best. Oh, sorry! It's so stuffy in the room, probably that was the case i caught the sense incorrect, sorry Yes, Japan definetely, but Europe too please! |
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Post by beti on Mar 11, 2010 15:07:04 GMT 1
Efosko, thanks for such quick translation!!! The article sums up everything - what’s closed is closed, so therefore something new will open |
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Post by ageha on Mar 11, 2010 15:42:18 GMT 1
efosko, thank you for the article and translation! I don't mean to add any more sadness to the board, but I just want to share my personal observations. Since there was a Swissinfo article a couple of days ago which cited that Stephane can be eligible again after 2 years, I have tried to look for this rule, or any other rule that might allow him to apply for eligibility, should he ever want to compete again. But I could not find any. The reinstatement rule says that an ineligible person may apply for reinstatement, only if he had not skated in a non-ISU sanctioned competition. Therefore, according to this rule, Stephane cannot apply for reinstatement even if he ever wants to, due to his participation in Thin Ice. By the rules, the moment he takes part in Thin Ice, he will be banned from ISU for good. Obviously, I'm not an expert on ISU rules and I haven't read the entire thing, so I could be missing something. Plus, there are always unwritten rules, exceptions, and politics. NZZ article that efosko translated seems to imply that Stephane can can apply for eligibility, so maybe there is some provision I haven't found. In any case, I hope I'm wrong and hope that Stephane is able to apply for eligibility should he ever want to. But I have not found any evidence that he will be able to. Of course, this is not to say I am not thrilled for his show career. There is no doubt that his every fan and everyone on this board supports his decisions and celebrates his successful career - past, present, and future. But for those of us who are sad (I guess that's me  ), it would make a world of difference if we had some knowledge that his doors could be opened again... even just for the sake of it!! On the bright side, I'm sure Thin Ice will expose him to a new fan base in North America, and he will surely win their hearts over.
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Post by kadri on Mar 11, 2010 15:53:17 GMT 1
hmm, maybe the two year rule is just the 'punishment' appointed by ISU? as in they reached a mutual agreement or something along these lines? i have no idea if such thing is possible though since ISU and all its rules are as confusing as humanly possible imho  that's exactly why it would be nice to get some official confirmation from Stephane's camp now and that would explain his situation a bit better.... |
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Post by honzule on Mar 11, 2010 16:07:24 GMT 1
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Post by stephanie2006 on Mar 11, 2010 17:29:07 GMT 1
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Post by marlin on Mar 11, 2010 17:37:20 GMT 1
Thank you efosko for the translation!You girls are always magical! Concerning the ineligibility thing, personally I don't think the rules would by any chance be an obstacle IF St¨¦phane wants another comeback soon - being an association just like any other ones in the world, ISU needs to feed itself too, and such an audience-friendly and beloved skater's attendence is definitely what they'd like to see despite of the result he got. Furthermore, ISU had precedent of permitting pro skaters compete in amateur competitions back at 1993 - 1994 season for some of the great skaters(i.e.Katerina Witt) The contract IMO is just St¨¦phane's way of farewell...He 'needs' the suspension to finally nail down his eligible career. He is always an extreme person so when he wants to end it he wants it end completely.So he could move on, with no turning back. |
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Post by leana on Mar 11, 2010 17:38:22 GMT 1
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Post by sigrid on Mar 11, 2010 19:42:14 GMT 1
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Post by kadri on Mar 11, 2010 19:55:25 GMT 1
thanks for the articles, stephanie and leana! it's good to know that he still has the option to return some day in the far future, should he want it. it's still such a shame about Bern though. oh well and thanks for the pics, sigrid!  |
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Post by rutt999 on Mar 11, 2010 22:36:20 GMT 1
It is still very strange that ISU takes the Thin Ice like a serious competition, everyone should understand, that first of all it is a big TV show, similar to Dancing with the Stars. There are only 3 judges who are also previous skaters and audience who can vote for their favourites. I remember a Russian pair Maria Petrova and Alexei Tikhonov both participated from September to December 2006 in the competition in Russian Television Pervõi Kanal Stars on Ice (the first season of the Ice Age) and at the same season in January 2007 they participated in European Championships and won silver. Was that competition reglemented by ISU, I do not believe. And this jury consisted of 5 specialists and judges (Chairlady of the judges was Tatjana Tarasova). In that case Evan Lysacek also should not participate in Dancing with the Stars? In December 1992 many skaters participated in World Pro Championships, which was really a serious pro competition and next season they already participated in Europeans and in the Olympics. Nowadays such serious pro competitions do not even exist anymore. So now I really do not understand why Stephane should be punished? The rules should be similar for everyone. And Stephane is an eligible skater as a single skater, but in this show he is participating in pair. So it is a different discipline actually. Why he should make such hard decision to retire for good? Actually now he is punished equally with all kind of doping users for two years!!!  |
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Post by sha on Mar 11, 2010 22:37:47 GMT 1
it's good to know that he still has the option to return some day in the far future, should he want it. which option, kadri? I thought it is just "the end" and none turn back I admite I became confioused recently about this fact. Can anybody tell me clear how are the ISU rules? Are this 2 years of beeing out or not?  |
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Post by rutt999 on Mar 11, 2010 22:48:07 GMT 1
I found this article from the web page of the Swiss Skating Union www.swissiceskating.ch/lang-fr/home/medien.htmlMaybe someone who knows French better can understand, does this paragraph in this press release means that he still can come back to the competitions if he wants? "Fondamentalement, les patineurs professionnels ont la possibilité d'envisager un retour au statut d'amateur et à l'ISU. Il faut cependant pour ceci établir une requête spéciale à l'ISU." But this press release sounds really, really sad, like the end of one era. |
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. Plus high level and not much distracting from skating (except the judges sometimes 
). It's not like this with most events he can do now. But it's better for Stephane, sure. 
), it would make a world of difference if we had some knowledge that his doors could be opened again... even just for the sake of it!!
