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Post by efosko on Mar 11, 2010 22:51:47 GMT 1
it's good to know that he still has the option to return some day in the far future, should he want it. which option, kadri? I thought it is just "the end" and none turn back  I admite I became confioused recently about this fact. Can anybody tell me clear how are the ISU rules? Are this 2 years of beeing out or not?  As far as I got it from the previous articles Steph is now a pro and therefore not allowed to compete in an ISU competition BUT if he wants to be an amateur again he has the opportunity to file a special application to the ISU and they decide whether he can "come back" or not. But this can only be done once according to one article. This is so confusing, I really dunno what to think about all that stuff . I'm still hoping for an update of the official website, maybe it becomes clearer then... |
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Post by kevinbw on Mar 11, 2010 23:17:12 GMT 1
I think the ISU would let him come back if he wanted to
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Post by kadri on Mar 11, 2010 23:29:06 GMT 1
which option, kadri? I thought it is just "the end" and none turn back I admite I became confioused recently about this fact. Can anybody tell me clear how are the ISU rules? Are this 2 years of beeing out or not? As far as I got it from the previous articles Steph is now a pro and therefore not allowed to compete in an ISU competition BUT if he wants to be an amateur again he has the opportunity to file a special application to the ISU and they decide whether he can "come back" or not. But this can only be done once according to one article. This is so confusing, I really dunno what to think about all that stuff . I'm still hoping for an update of the official website, maybe it becomes clearer then... yes, exactly. i'm also really hoping we'll get a clear explanation about what exactly has happen on the official site soon. btw did i understand correctly that the article says he has to sit out the Bern ECHs anyway, right? i'm still doubting my German skills at times  if so, then i guess the 2 year ban applies one way or another. no EX in Bern anyway then, i guess  |
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Post by kadri on Mar 11, 2010 23:46:03 GMT 1
oh how i hate all this speculation and 'what ifs'  i'm done thinking. until the official statement it's easier that way |
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Post by stephanie2006 on Mar 12, 2010 8:00:39 GMT 1
The Basler Zeitung has a slightly different version of this confusing story.
Viel Verwirrung um Stéphane Lambiel
Der Eiskunstläufer will an einem Profi-Anlass starten, was eine Wettkampf-Sperre nach sich ziehen könnte
Darf Lambiel wegen der Teilnahme bei der TV-Show «Thin Ice» nicht mehr an ISU-Wettkämpfen teilnehmen?
Der Schweizer Eislauf-Verband teilte gestern mit, dass Stéphane Lambiel mit der Teilnahme beim Wettbewerb «Thin Ice» automatisch ins Lager der Profiläufer wechsle und deshalb bei sämtlichen Wettkämpfen der Internationalen Eislaufunion (ISU) nicht mehr zugelassen sei. Zudem erhielt Marc Lindegger, der Lambiel medial betreut, ein E-Mail von ISU-Generalsekretär Fredi Schmid, in dem steht, dass der zweimalige Weltmeister mit einer Teilnahme bei «Thin Ice» seine Startberechtigung an ISU-Wettbewerben verlieren werde, weil an diesem Anlass keine ISU-Preisrichter werten würden.
Ist somit, wie vom Verband geschrieben, Lambiels Karriere als Wettkämpfer beendet? Nein. Offiziell tritt der 24-Jährige nicht zurück, obwohl vieles darauf hindeutet, dass er an Olympia in Vancouver letztmals um Punkte gekämpft hat. Seine Zukunft sieht er in Show-Auftritten, doch es wäre nicht das erste Mal, dass bei ihm die Lust auf Wettkämpfe zurückkehrt. In dem Fall könnte er bei einer Sperre einen Antrag auf Reamateurisierung stellen – dies ist einmal möglich.
Eine Sperre nimmt Lambiel in Kauf. Automatisch erfolgt sie aber nicht. Der Olympia-Zweite von 2006 könnte zuvor Stellung nehmen. Sein Management, für das die Sachlage unklar ist, hofft, dass sich die ISU nicht zu diesem Schritt entschliesst. Denn es gibt ähnliche Formate, die zu keinen Sperren geführt haben.
Überdies ist «Thin Ice» viel mehr eine Show als ein Wettkampf. Lambiel bildet zusammen mit der Japanerin Shizuka Arakawa, der Olympiasiegerin von 2006, ein Paar, das gegen vier andere Paare ohne Vorgaben um das Preisgeld von 220 000 Franken antritt
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Post by reut on Mar 12, 2010 8:42:58 GMT 1
Thank you, stephanie2006.
So maybe there is no official statement on the site because Stephane's team is still confused?
Anyway, as for now Stephane said he doesn't plan to compete and to be in Bern. With or without solving this issue. So...
And I don't know why, but I'm not sad at all about this decision of him. Maybe because I was ready this would come? Maybe because I'm sure we will see so many other beautiful things from him anyway.
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Post by Nadin on Mar 12, 2010 10:14:06 GMT 1
This article by Basler Zeitung is the most accurate we've had. There won't be an official announcement because there is nothing to say right now. The decision was made by the ISU, which is why all the articles we are seeing state 'The ISU confirmed.."
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Post by fruitiers on Mar 12, 2010 10:23:47 GMT 1
An exhibition in Japan (Osaka, 4-5 april 2010) is added. Anyone who knows more about this exhibition? Is it SOI in Japan? (I guess not). As for Thin on Ice and all these things, it's so confusing. Anyway, from what I've read, Stephane was aware of risk when he decided to participate in it, but it seems that he and his agent (including his federation) hoped sort of generosity from ISU, so as not to close the door. But ISU applied him their strict rules, as a result, he is going to lose his eligibility. That's it? What is more confusing for me is that, from the articles, there is no such 'they do it for two years' thing. It's written 'for good' in the articles (apparently informed by the Swiss federation). Well, as many others said before, if Stephane doesn't want to compete anymore, whethere he is eligible or not, it's not important. Though, if he (or his agent) wanted the door opened, it's a pity. |
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Post by Nadin on Mar 12, 2010 10:39:08 GMT 1
I think the show in Osaka is Diamond Ice/Diamond on Ice
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Post by sha on Mar 12, 2010 10:51:14 GMT 1
fruitiers, I think similar. In articles there is nowhere said that Steph resignated. It's said that ISU sended him off... |
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Post by rutt999 on Mar 12, 2010 11:03:35 GMT 1
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Post by elanor on Mar 12, 2010 11:49:31 GMT 1
This is very sad. Not Stephane not competing which is expected and better for him, but that he of all skaters was kicked off like this and treated worse than those with serious breaches of sports discipline and breaking the law. They are burrying their greatest talents when they should chariesh and promote them. I hope there won't be more serious consequences than not doing big competition. ISU exhibitions are not only quite lucrative but keep the skaters in the spotlight with current stars. |
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Post by kadri on Mar 12, 2010 13:00:24 GMT 1
So maybe there is no official statement on the site because Stephane's team is still confused? seems so. i guess time will tell thanks for the article, stephanie2006!  so another show added to his schedule? his schedule is so intense!! i really hope he'll find some time for rest as well and won't wear himself out too much |
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Post by ageha on Mar 12, 2010 14:55:25 GMT 1
Last year, the ISU imposed a 2-year ban on a famous German speedskater for doping allegations. The speedskater appealed, lawsuit was filed in Switzerland, and the whole thing was highly publicized before the Olympics. So it is possible that Stephane's spokesman might have mixed up the rules when he spoke to Swissinfo. Well, that's just my speculation. I just hope that wasn't the assumption when they signed Stephane for Thin Ice contract. In the ISU eligibility rules, there is no mention of such 2-year rule. It just says that if a skater participates in non-ISU competition, he becomes ineligible and cannot apply for reinstatement. (On the other hand, if the skater was ineligible without having participated in non-ISU competition, then he can apply for reinstatement, only once.) As some people remember, between 1992-95 the ISU provided a one-time opportunity window for professional skaters to reinstate their eligibility. Back then, pro competitions were gaining popularity and TV ratings (especially in the United States), taking audience away from the ISU. So, by offering this reinstatement window, the ISU was trying to recruit back professional skaters and shift the audience attention back to ISU events. But this window is closed, and the ISU has never opened it again. So, it's pretty clear that Stephane's comeback is ruled out according to the rules. Then, the question would be, will ISU ever make an exception for Stephane? Well, any Japanese would tell you that petitioning/lobbying through the national skating federation won't work. In 2005-06 virtually our entire nation pressured the Japan Skating Federation to persuade the ISU to let Mao Asada compete at the Torino Olympics. It was the biggest national headline for months. And we all know that didn't work. So then, what would work? I would say that TV ratings might. The more popular the pro competitions become, the more threat it becomes for the ISU, the more incentive for the ISU to make exceptions or change rules. And we already know that Stephane will charm the audience at pro competitions.  So, the more success he has in the pro world, the better chance he has of returning to the ISU world (although, realistically, the chances would still be slight). Kind of a strange logic, I know. But then again, the ISU is a strange organization. |
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Post by elanor on Mar 12, 2010 17:12:44 GMT 1
It doesn't seem to me that Mao's example can be compared to this situation. They couldn't have let her compete without removing age limit rule and allowing all other skaters to compete. It was pretty straightforward. Here it's more vague, it takes a lot of ill will to apply strict rules and it doesn't affect anybody else. Joannie Rochette is going to skate in the very same show for big dollars (nothing wrong with this) and can go right to competition, not a problem. I don't buy it's different. Is Shizuka Arakawa officially banned too? It is useless to look for logic in ISU rules and decisions. They break and flex their own rules according to what they think they will get from this. All that can be done is to wait and see what comes. But I'm not very optimistic. Unlike other skaters, he doesn't have much back up to fight his way back. Pro competitions don't really exist for today, if this will change I don't know, the current market looks not favorable and skaters must look for other options. I wonder how long skating will be growing in Asia, I hope the talent they have will keep it up. |
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I admite I became confioused recently about this fact. Can anybody tell me clear how are the ISU rules? Are this 2 years of beeing out or not? 
if so, then i guess the 2 year ban applies one way or another. no EX in Bern anyway then, i guess 
So, the more success he has in the pro world, the better chance he has of returning to the ISU world (although, realistically, the chances would still be slight).