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Post by nike2010 on Mar 8, 2010 16:38:54 GMT 1
 The news has been expectable - but why on earth to break it on the Women's Day?  The journalists again lacked the comme il faut status. I'm sure Stephane himself wouldn't have acted like that.  The participation in Thin Ice gave me some hints to this sad news, but I tried to hope for some miracle... I'm really very sorry... But we've got nothing but accept the fact. No supposition that shows would be a better life could console me. Very soon Plushenko will explain to Stephane that the world of show-biz is as 'dirty' and unfair as the competitive sport. Owners of the shows usually rule out a role for each skater, and there is no more freedom than in competitions. The best thing for Stephane would be his own show, and I sincerely wish him to create such. As we learnt from his interviews he has this idea in mind, but as a more realistic person ( than his crazy fan Nike2010  ) Stephane knows he needs some experience in such projects. Let's wish him to have the brightest experience and lots of success in another volume of his skating life!*hesitating between tears and tearing one of his photos in some confused anger for the unsung [shadow=red,left,300]La Traviata [/shadow]  and compassion about his future hardships
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Post by sigrid on Mar 8, 2010 16:54:37 GMT 1
For me this season was like an extra life in a videogame (lol, what a freak example  ) Thank you sigrid ,you always find the right words to cheer me up. This season was the best extra life of my life  my pleasure we could call the Guinness World Record's people, maybe we're the fans who have experienced more retirements of their idol  |
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Post by elanor on Mar 8, 2010 17:16:51 GMT 1
honzule, thank you for the news. This is exactly the news I was looking for, although not the result I was hoping for. kadri, despite what I said a few weeks ago, I was worried because the show doesn't follow ISU judging methods. Oh well, I agree, at least the speculation is over. Still, I'm heartbroken. lambielsupporter, I'm sorry for the late reply. Basically it has to be an ISU-sanctioned event that follows all the ISU rules, including judging method (in case of competition). For instance, Japan Open features real ISU judges, while Thin Ice features non-ISU judges (former skaters and audience). Below is a link to the ISU rules. Eligibility rules are on page 76. www.isu.org/vsite/vfile/page/fileurl/0,11040,4844-192306-209529-141863-0-file,00.pdf I'm not sure if I understand the whole issue here. Media just repeat what someone said, not very reliable. The rules used to be about regular pro competitions like they had 10 years ago with skaters doing full programs in their respective disciplines with regular judges. Such competitions don't exist anymore (I really miss them, it was a great chance for creative and artistic skaters to show good programs  ). This show seems to be more like a lot of reality TV shows today. How can they apply ISU rules to this if the format is completely different? They don't seem to care much about what exhibitions or shows or other activities skaters do unless they all get special permissions to do them.  Neither Plushenko nor Sasha Cohen had any problems to get GP and other events after doing shows like this and they weren't even injured. I would imagine its the power federations usually get what they want. I have no idea why Stephane would be the only one to be punished for something like this. But this doesn't really matter because he doesn't want to compete. And why should he? Apart from everything else, he needs to support himself and his family. Nobody will pay his training and living expenses so he can do one more competition. It would be hard for him only go to Swiss Euros without lot's of extra preparation. He doesn't want to be 5th. Stephane can't carry the whole Swiss skating alone forever. They need to invest in young talents. Nobody pressures Arakawa or Buttle to compete. |
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Post by kadri on Mar 8, 2010 17:53:58 GMT 1
well i think with every interview he gave since Vancouver it was becoming more and more clear that Stephane doesn't really plan to compete anymore....so this shouldn't come as a big surprise. but even if i've been trying to accept the fact that he'll probably retire again for some weeks now, it's somehow still so hard to think that it's really true but i'm really glad to see all the support for his decision in this forum right now!  sure i'd love to see him compete again and to root for him cause in my eyes he deserves absolutely every single shiny medal that's out there cause he's simply the best, an all-around skater..... but he's had a spectacular career and he's pretty much achieved everything there is to achieve in this sport with his two world champion titles and an Olympic medal. if Stephane is not ambitious anymore, i guess we shouldn't be either. and not to mention the number of fans he's won over during his career....i think he could easily run for 'the most be beloved figure skater' title (and here i'd also like to take a moment to bow to this:) he gave us this extra season, with 2 wonderful competitive programs, 2 PB, 2 World records in PCS, 2 gold medals (NHT and Swiss Nats), 1 silver (Euros) and almost an Olympic bronze.  so i'm trying not to be sad and if he keeps giving us heartfelt programs like In Your Eyes in his shows and we can see him with that huuuuge smile on his face, not disappointment....i think we've got nothing to complain about. he's not going anywhere. now fly high, Stephane the Artist! no more stupid rules |
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Post by kadri on Mar 8, 2010 18:03:00 GMT 1
This show seems to be more like a lot of reality TV shows today. How can they apply ISU rules to this if the format is completely different? well it's still a figure skating competition. whatever the format. i guess |
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Post by elanor on Mar 8, 2010 18:08:09 GMT 1
No supposition that shows would be a better life could console me. Very soon Plushenko will explain to Stephane that the world of show-biz is as 'dirty' and unfair as the competitive sport. Owners of the shows usually rule out a role for each skater, and there is no more freedom than in competitions. I don't think it will be that bad.  Watching Stephane's development in shows last four years it was nothing but incredible. I can hardly imagine Plushenko's agents or Korean and Japanese show managers forcing Stephane to skate programs he doesn't like. When he's free and happy he's the magnet for the audience. He's very loved and recognized in skating world. He has many friends and fans among skaters and some of them have their own shows. He likes skating in group numbers and working with other skaters without stress of competitve rivalry. The numbers he did with them were fun and popular. Given his popularity in Switzerland he might have his own show one day. Depends on the market. I wouldn't worry that much about his future. American shows are a bit different but I don't see much success for him there anyway. He's not American type of personality, too sophistacted and artsy, not mainstream like Lysacek, or arrogant champ like Plushenko or pseudo-controversial star selling himself to the media a la Johnny Weir. But it would be nice if skating shows regain some popularity in NA, even if they are pure cheese. I also hope he goes to college one day or resumes his education. He's very bright and should develop his mind. Good luck, Stephane and thank you.  |
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Post by elanor on Mar 8, 2010 18:19:52 GMT 1
This show seems to be more like a lot of reality TV shows today. How can they apply ISU rules to this if the format is completely different? well it's still a figure skating competition. whatever the format. i guess Maybe they just used it as an excuse so people stop bothering him with endless questions and demands. It must be very annoying. I'm not sure if this will help though. Untill Stephane is 35 and Plushenko is definitely done with competitions. |
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Post by fruitiers on Mar 8, 2010 19:16:04 GMT 1
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Post by stephanie2006 on Mar 8, 2010 19:16:11 GMT 1
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Post by elorie on Mar 8, 2010 19:16:38 GMT 1
I don't really care all that much... as long as he is happy, and healthy, I'm going to be grateful for every single performance, whether it be a show or a competition. It really doesn't make any difference to me. I guess it's been a bit different two years ago because it's been more unexpected, and above all because he seemed so sad about his retirement. Nowadays he just seems happier, and I do believe that his smile is the only thing that I actually like better than his skating I will continue to watch competitions, just like I've done in the past couple of years, because I love figure skating since I was a child, and of course I will miss rooting for him (well, he is my favorite skater )... but more than anything I want him to be happy, and to feel free to express himself in any way he wants to. |
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Post by stephanie2006 on Mar 8, 2010 19:22:47 GMT 1
Thank you, this is is a very interesting sentence: "Je crois qu'ils font ça pour deux ans mais c'est l'ISU qui décide", a précisé M. Lindegger." So it's up to the ISU to decide, if Stéphane wishes to go back to competing one day. |
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Post by elanor on Mar 8, 2010 19:50:00 GMT 1
It's always up to the current powers to enforce something if they wish or not. The rules are flexible enough. Aren't there conflicts for TV rights and money for this? Nothing new. Federations hosting events can send petitions I think and some federations are more influential than the others. Ther's no point since it doesn't look Stephane wishes to continue competitions. If he wants one day and it works for him I will be glad, if not I believe it will be much better to move on with his life for something new. |
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Post by kevinbw on Mar 8, 2010 20:36:30 GMT 1
i am just happy that he will continue to skate period weather in competition or in shows at lease we get to see him do what we love to see him do!
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Post by kadri on Mar 8, 2010 22:00:38 GMT 1
I do believe that his smile is the only thing that I actually like better than his skating this is so beautifully and well said!! and as much as i know skaters can always request to be eligible again and it's really up to ISU then. so i don't know how strict that two years even is. but should Stephane ever find the fire inside him to compete again, i'm sure there's a way, whenever it is. and Swiss federation would probably be willing to do anything to get him to compete again, if he wants it. we can only wait and see but thankfully he'll still be skating, no matter what |
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Post by sigrid on Mar 8, 2010 22:13:34 GMT 1
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The news has been expectable - 
) Stephane knows he needs some experience in such projects. Let's wish him to have the brightest experience and lots of success in another volume of his skating life!
and compassion about his future 
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sure i'd love to see him compete again and to root for him cause in my eyes he deserves absolutely every single shiny medal that's out there cause he's simply the best, an all-around skater..... but he's had a spectacular career and he's pretty much achieved everything there is to achieve in this sport with his two world champion titles and an Olympic medal. if Stephane is not ambitious anymore, i guess we shouldn't be either. and not to mention the number of fans he's won over during his career....i think he could easily run for 'the most be beloved figure skater' title 
Watching Stephane's development in shows last four years it was nothing but incredible. I can hardly imagine Plushenko's agents or Korean and Japanese show managers forcing Stephane to skate programs he doesn't like. When he's free and happy he's the magnet for the audience. He's very loved and recognized in skating world. He has many friends and fans among skaters and some of them have their own shows. He likes skating in group numbers and working with other skaters without stress of competitve rivalry. The numbers he did with them were fun and popular. Given his popularity in Switzerland he might have his own show one day. Depends on the market. I wouldn't worry that much about his future. 
