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Post by jomeku on Mar 16, 2015 23:39:26 GMT 1
Thank you kindredspirit, elanor, reut, for your interesting reflections about costumes, for your article and finding the video, reut! What you say, reut, about "Zebra" (that in a way it was about his adolescence and finding his own voice) fits very well with what Stephane had said about it at another occasion: The mythical creature from a warm land lost in an icy world and wanting to fly back home . (I guess we all had read it somewhere). The Vivaldi program would never have expressed this meaning so clear without the Zebra costume. (So, no wonder Stephane only loaned the costume to the Olympic museum . I also really like the 'Try' costume (the 'Sense' one too) and would like to know what Stephane says about it. I tried to imagine, but . 'Sense' I think had just to be simple and neutral, but I guess there's a special thought behind 'Try'? There have been only some few Stephane's costumes I did not really like. One of them was the orange-sleeved one you mention, kindredspirit (he had worn it only once, I believe, at Golden Skate Awards in 2009). I thought it looked like fashion clothes made for male catwalk rather than a skating costume. Well, just my taste. Another one I until today do not now what it was supposed to be: the third 'Carne Cruda' one he had used for Europeans and Worlds 2008. For me it had no connection with the topic (Carne Cruda) and I found Stephane was lost in it, overdressed. ... Oh, back to the News, Articles, Photos topic and worlds 2005: So, 'Spanish Caravan', ten years ago. Wow! To be honest I did not watch it for a very long time. It was not among my favorites and I had almost forgotten it. But now watching it again: … wow … I am really surprised! Stephane is so fierce and fearless and confident skating it, and the step sequence is just great, powerful and fast and beautiful! It's a new discovery for me. Great to watch it again, thanks to Stephane's 10th jubilee ! (and reut posting the links!) I also remember that I watched the worlds on TV back then. It was the last year without me being nervous when Stephane skated (one year later I was so nervous I almost couldn't watch ). Back in 2005 I did not really count with Stephane winning the event and it was more a wonderful surprise than an expectation. Maybe I hoped he gets a medal, but did not really dare to believe he would… (I did not believe my eyes when I saw him first at Euros in 2002 … at there was disbelieve until "it" happened in 2005). My favorite "Spanish Caravan" pictures:
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Post by reut on Mar 17, 2015 7:32:55 GMT 1
The first photo is actually not of "Spanish Caravan", it's from Cup of Russia 2005 (the link to the whole album: foto.spbland.ru/album/10004/), so it's his next SP, "Malaguena", he just didn't change the costume yet. (Sorry, Wikipedia in me couldn't help I just really love that portrait, so I remembered where I saw it on lambiel_ru). So, today is the day!! From one hand I can't believe it's been 10 years already. From the other hand I feel like it was in a different life, so much has happened since then! And Stephane accomplished so many things. And has grown a bit too.
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Post by jomeku on Mar 17, 2015 9:57:04 GMT 1
Thank you, 'Wiki' ! So they only changed the color of the collar for the Malaguena-version of the costume for the Euros 2006. He before had another Malaguena-costume, I think for CoChina, but he said about that one it was not comfortable. So maybe that's why he just rearranged the former 'Caravan'-costume. Some more photos I like from Worlds:
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Post by elanor on Mar 17, 2015 13:11:36 GMT 1
I also really like the 'Try' costume (the 'Sense' one too) and would like to know what Stephane says about it. I tried to imagine, but . 'Sense' I think had just to be simple and neutral, but I guess there's a special thought behind 'Try'? There have been only some few Stephane's costumes I did not really like. One of them was the orange-sleeved one you mention, kindredspirit (he had worn it only once, I believe, at Golden Skate Awards in 2009). I thought it looked like fashion clothes made for male catwalk rather than a skating costume. Well, just my taste. Another one I until today do not now what it was supposed to be: the third 'Carne Cruda' one he had used for Europeans and Worlds 2008. For me it had no connection with the topic (Carne Cruda) and I found Stephane was lost in it, overdressed. Maybe someone could ask when talking to Stephane about his recent programs, costumes etc. I don't think there was any interview about it, I would love to know something about Sense. He always has something interesting to say about programs. Try was more one-show kind of a program but I really liked it too. And he looks very good in the costume. Carne Cruda costume: he was talking about it somewhere and the program. For me, the costume was like a patchwork of seemingly not fitting, taken from various places pieces of patters and material like different experiences, desires and conflicting sides of personality struggling to find a place and expression, like life. Raw meat, something like that, taken from inside outside. It was very Stephane-like then.
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Post by jomeku on Mar 17, 2015 17:31:05 GMT 1
Maybe someone could ask when talking to Stephane about his recent programs, costumes etc. I don't think there was any interview about it, I would love to know something about Sense. He always has something interesting to say about programs. Try was more one-show kind of a program but I really liked it too. And he looks very good in the costume. Carne Cruda costume: he was talking about it somewhere and the program. For me, the costume was like a patchwork of seemingly not fitting, taken from various places pieces of patters and material like different experiences, desires and conflicting sides of personality struggling to find a place and expression, like life. Raw meat, something like that, taken from inside outside. It was very Stephane-like then. About Carne Crude costume: Hm… That's interesting. So seemingly not very different theme than with "Zebra"/Four Seasons program and as reut described it in her post about "Zebra" yesterday. It just went through my mind that maybe that's why he has more quiet, 'simpler' costumes, for the moment. Adolescence is ten years behind and the whole personality more settled. So the costumes (and programs) are alike. Creative and expressive, but in a different way. Just thoughts.
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Post by kindredspirit on Mar 17, 2015 23:39:28 GMT 1
Thank you kindredspirit, elanor, reut, for your interesting reflections about costumes, for your article and finding the video, reut! What you say, reut, about "Zebra" (that in a way it was about his adolescence and finding his own voice) fits very well with what Stephane had said about it at another occasion: The mythical creature from a warm land lost in an icy world and wanting to fly back home . (I guess we all had read it somewhere). The Vivaldi program would never have expressed this meaning so clear without the Zebra costume. (So, no wonder Stephane only loaned the costume to the Olympic museum . I also really like the 'Try' costume (the 'Sense' one too) and would like to know what Stephane says about it. I tried to imagine, but . 'Sense' I think had just to be simple and neutral, but I guess there's a special thought behind 'Try'? There have been only some few Stephane's costumes I did not really like. One of them was the orange-sleeved one you mention, kindredspirit (he had worn it only once, I believe, at Golden Skate Awards in 2009). I thought it looked like fashion clothes made for male catwalk rather than a skating costume. Well, just my taste. Another one I until today do not now what it was supposed to be: the third 'Carne Cruda' one he had used for Europeans and Worlds 2008. For me it had no connection with the topic (Carne Cruda) and I found Stephane was lost in it, overdressed. ... Oh, back to the News, Articles, Photos topic and worlds 2005: So, 'Spanish Caravan', ten years ago. Wow! To be honest I did not watch it for a very long time. It was not among my favorites and I had almost forgotten it. But now watching it again: … wow … I am really surprised! Stephane is so fierce and fearless and confident skating it, and the step sequence is just great, powerful and fast and beautiful! It's a new discovery for me. Great to watch it again, thanks to Stephane's 10th jubilee ! (and reut posting the links!) I also remember that I watched the worlds on TV back then. It was the last year without me being nervous when Stephane skated (one year later I was so nervous I almost couldn't watch ). Back in 2005 I did not really count with Stephane winning the event and it was more a wonderful surprise than an expectation. Maybe I hoped he gets a medal, but did not really dare to believe he would… (I did not believe my eyes when I saw him first at Euros in 2002 … at there was disbelieve until "it" happened in 2005). My favorite "Spanish Caravan" pictures: Thank you all girls! I'm willing to translate anything from italian, if you need just ask! Jomeku, I was talking about this specific costume www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWU83Ktuuxc I found it majestic, it fitted him very well, but It's a matter of taste, of course. To Reut: the video you posted made me laugh so hard, I always forget how much down to earth he is and funny too! And he says his costumes usually are "simple" and "sober", because he doesn't like distractions. So, apart from the zebra costume, which was a kind of "rebellious act", his identity was already very clear at the age of 16. I mean, when you're a teenager you change your style very often, because you have to find your true self. But in this case, it's obvious he knew exactly who he was then as well as he knows now. He's changed but he hasn't changed, I dont know if I have explained myself.....so much personality, and you need it if you want to be a champion. I'd love to read something else about his costumes, please Reut, be kind and share links I love this walk down the memory lane, I'm following his facebook, pity I didn't know him in 2005...
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Post by reut on Mar 18, 2015 9:36:06 GMT 1
I remember seeing this costume for the first time in Zagreb. It was a SHOCK! It looked really weird on him and to tell the truth didn't compliment his body type (made his shoulders look much larger and he looked like "triangle"). Interestingly enough on photos he looked in this costume much better. Talking about "Carne Cruda", I actually really like the first version which was created by "Frankie Morello" (you can see it on this video from "Golden Skate Awards" 2007). He never used the shirt in competitions and anywhere ever (he took this costume to Cup of China, but had to change the shirt to the black one, I don't remember exactly, I think something was not comfortable or maybe even torn apart). The pants were especially adorable and he used them later in some exhibitions, including "Freak like me" (not in all performances though). His second costume, he used at Cup of Russia and Grand Prix Final ( this one), was just a literal interpretation of "raw meat", like he explained in some interview (I won't be able to find it I'm afraid). You can see black costume with rips and "raw meat" coming out of them. His third costume, the one we started to talk about above was actually proposed by Antonio Najarro (who also choreographed the program). Here is an excerpt from our talk we had back in 2010 (this part wasn't included in the final version we published on AS, the editor thought we had "too much of Stephane" in it I think I shared it here back then on the forum, but maybe I shared it only on lambiel_ru, I don't remember). I asked Antonio about his ideas behind "Flamenco" and "Carne Cruda". - "Carne Cruda" was about... I don't know, do you remember the colourful costume he had for it? - He actually had three costumes, made in Italy, black with red, one with orange sleeve. - Yes, this one was created based on my design. I wanted to create a crazy program. I wanted to make people think that this program doesn't have choreography, that it's Stephane's improvisation. Of course, actually it was a very complicated choreography, but in crazy style, in style of improvisation. So this is at least the idea Antonio put in this costume: crazy improvisation. Both in choreography and in costume. I never heard Stephane's side of this story though. By the way, a few seasons later, or maybe even next season there was some young skater who absolutely copied that (third) costume. Funny enough, if I remember it right, he used that costume for the program which was choreographed to "Poeta" music. Did you see other videos from his other fan meetings? They are fun and very interesting and he is super charming there. You can find them on this tag in the LJ community of his Russian fans. OK, I will. But it will take me time to find them. I agree it will be very interesting to find out more about Stephane's recent costumes. Hopefully someone will ask him when he/she has a chance.
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Post by reut on Mar 18, 2015 9:46:25 GMT 1
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Post by reut on Mar 18, 2015 10:03:34 GMT 1
And... on a different subject again, Stephane wrote a lot of updates yesterday on his FB, about Worlds 2005. Hope you saw them, but I'll copy them here too. It is really nice that he made this effort. #Moscow2005 These championships feel special because they take place in Russia, the country of many of my skating idols. I always admired the Russian school and had the chance to train there a few years ago. The audience of the Luzhniki arena is knowledgeable and enthusiastic. I am honored just to perform for them. www.facebook.com/StephaneLambiel/photos/a.180046435361419.40546.172658576100205/955475257818529/?type=1#Moscow2005 The tension is building up. I’m the leader after the short program, a position I’ve never been in before. From the moment we arrived in Moscow, my team and I had our routine: meals, practices, naps, who we meet, and where... But now something has changed, people are looking at me differently. In their eyes, a question: will he hold up? www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ3_jlbjzDc&feature=youtu.beSource#Moscow2005 I never liked waiting, seeing the other competitors come back from the ice feeling good or bad about their performance. We decided to wait alone in the ladies dressing room after the warm-up so I could stay focused. I’ll be skating next to last tonight. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKkVIdEmSqU&feature=youtu.besource#Moscow2005 WORLD CHAMPION!! I can’t believe it!! Someone gives me a Swiss flag. The sound of my fan’s club’s cow bells fills the arena. The president is on the phone. After my surgery in the summer, I wasn’t even sure if I would skate again. What’s happening?! www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hQV_XAuXYE&feature=youtu.beSourceP.S. Some thoughts about "King Arthur" which I (obviously) re-watched yesterday. It never was one of my favourite programs somehow. Maybe because it was never given a chance to become fully "ripe", it was still too fresh and raw in Moscow. And truly it lacked some choreo for me. Though the music is very "winning" and memorable. During that LP Stephane popped two jumps, and suddenly I tried to recall when was the last time I saw him popping jump. Usually popped jump shows that the skater was not mentally ready, was afraid of the jump and of falling from it, popped jumps in performance usually show that the skater was not mentally strong. It is not typical for Stephane to pop jumps, usually he went for them (and sometimes fell or double footed or touched the ice). I guess it just shows under how much pressure he was there...
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Post by jomeku on Mar 18, 2015 12:52:21 GMT 1
reut: You can find a translation of this article in 'autumn-winter-2014-articles-photos?page=7 . I'm in lack of time to read the last posts carefully right now. For the moment just a quick thank you, kindredspirit and reut !
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Post by reut on Mar 18, 2015 13:03:27 GMT 1
Thank you, jomeku. Either I forgot or didn't understand that it was the same article.
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Post by reut on Mar 18, 2015 18:34:51 GMT 1
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Post by jomeku on Mar 18, 2015 22:25:33 GMT 1
So, throwback-time to WC Moscow 2005 is probably over. It's really nice that Stephane made the effort to take us back and share his thoughts and feelings about it. I re-watched all my recordings on tape-recorder ( ) about those Worlds. It seems it had only been yesterday … but it is so far away at the same time. Hopefully Stephane will feel again like looking back … the latest next year when it will be ten years since Oly's in Torino and his second world title in Calgary . Thank you for gathering all Stephane's FB posts, reut. And thank you also for the link to the videos from fan meetings on LJ with his Russian fans. They are adorable … and one of the reasons why I hope Stephane will (soon) have shows again in Russia. It seems he has always been so warmly welcomed … and I miss those meetings, respectively the videos about them, already. Just one more sentence about "Carne Cruda" program: I found the video of Stephane talking about it in September 2007: He said: "It's called Carne Cruda - Raw Meet. It's like life. It contains everything. There's strength and weakness. There are moments when I'm crazy and in others I'm quiet. There are many contrasts."
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Post by reut on Mar 18, 2015 23:10:07 GMT 1
kindredspirit, I found for you a story about "La Traviata" costume. Some background story. In Tallinn, during Euros 2010, Stephane was in HUGE demand by journalists, so they decided to make some kind of press conference for all the journalists who wanted to talk to him. I couldn't come, but there is a video. Among the first questions he was asked about the new costume for the new program and he told a bit about the ideas he had for it: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzaOQpapdnIIn general the costume was inspired by ballet costumes and he wanted something simple so that the program itself will shine. The costume was created by Pascale Müller, in Neuchâtel. This is the atelier where "Zebra" was made: www.pierasys.ch/main.html?src=%2Findex2.htmlwww.pierasys.ch/media/Steph_dos.JPGAnd the "Blood diamond" was also created there: www.pierasys.ch/mediac/450_0/media/blood_diamond.JPGOn the same video Stephane is also asked a bit about "Tell" (about the sleeves). That costume was created by Nicole Mottet from Martigny, who created "Dralion" and "King Arthur". Her site: www.nicolemottet.ch/In "media" section there is an article (coming back to #Moscow2005 ) "She dressed the king": www.nicolemottet.ch/pdf/_presse/Migros_magazine.pdf In general at Nebelhorn Trophy 2009 where Stephane showed his "Tell" for the first time, he said to journalists that this costume was inspired by "Tudors" TV series.
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Post by reut on Mar 18, 2015 23:15:36 GMT 1
And thank you also for the link to the videos from fan meetings on LJ with his Russian fans. They are adorable … and one of the reasons why I hope Stephane will (soon) have shows again in Russia. It seems he has always been so warmly welcomed … and I miss those meetings, respectively the videos about them, already. You don't need him coming to Russia to have such meetings and videos. Any place he comes with the show, if there are enough fans who come there too and there is someone who can take the full responsibility for organization (that part is usually problematic...), he'll agree to meet you. If everything is calm, organized well and ahead, so that he only has to come, sit and talk, he will always do his best to find time. He said that long ago already and till now he kept his promise.
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